What do you do with his pistol? He didnt elaborate on that. He went the following day, had the meeting. Yes, Oswald moved twenty times with his mother before he turned seventeen, which is when he joined the Marines. Jon and Jo Ann Hagler on behalf of the Jon L. Hagler Foundation. So he thought hed get a post office box that would be a permanent-type thing. They've got the camera. He played an awful lot of hooky up there. He had acquired the vernacular of radical politics. I was just completely in the dark. Hola Elige tu direccin Todos los departamentos. I couldnt believe it. I dont know how you want to express it, but thats the way he characterized her at the time. He was quickly integrated into the mechanism of daily proletarian life in the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. Describe a typical day in Oswald's Minsk. I said, "Lee, they've got you charged with the death of the president, shooting a police officer. That was a training ground [for] his imagination. Convinced that his brother was solely responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Oswald offers details in this interview about Lees formative years and young adult life, and describes how his brothers love of television shows on intrigue and espionage such as I Led Three Lives, became the training ground for his imagination. He says that the hard physical evidence from the assassination leads him to one conclusion: The Warren Commission was correct. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with the first broadcast of FRONTLINEs Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? When he returned to the United States, he didn't want to be a Russian. He told me about it, and I told him I'd go with him. Thats what it comes down to he wanted to be unique, by whatever it took. Convinced that his brother was solely responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Oswald offers details in this interview about Lee's formative years and young adult life, and describes how his brother's love of television shows on intrigue and espionage such as "I Led Three Lives," became the "training ground for his imagination." It was always separation, separation, separation. Gerald Hill.. If they didnt know who worked for them, he could always say he worked for them; he was in control of the FBI then. I think he was surprised when he stepped off the plane in Dallas Field -- he asked me, "What, no reporters?" [To those who say,] "He didn't own a rifle." We talked about family matters. The main thing was getting a job and a manuscript. But the diminutive nineteen-year-old Marine was serious. Saturday, Nov. 23, 1963. Arriving in Moscow on October 16, he declared that he wished to renounce his U.S. citizenship and become a Soviet national. I don't know at what age Mother verbalized the effect that she felt he was a burden to her. They didnt finalize that. Uploaded by Thats almost unbelievable. That's the shocker. Later, after the Kennedy. But Lee had that same personality type. This is mind over heart. Conspiracy theories point to purported inconsistencies in the events of Nov. 22, 1963, and in the evidence collected against Oswald. Fingeroth also conducted interviews with Ruby family members and associates. After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. Hes failing in his marriage and in his attempts to do whatever he wants to do. This is a lawyer well known for being involved in left-wing causes. I think it's fair to say the Kennedy assassination had very little to do with John F. Kennedy. If somebody passed out a leaflet on the street that contained a political statement for Marxism or communism or what have you, and if Lee had not run across that before, I could envision him looking at it, keeping it and saying, "Well, I wonder what this is all about." He wants to "do like Hemingway." This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? Well, he went to do the things he always liked to do got to the movies if he had the money, go to the library and read if he didnt have it. He had tapped into or been drawn to the emotions which that politics helped to foment, but did he have a deep understanding of how revolutions unfold, and the relationship between the proletariat and the means of production? ISIS' growing foothold in Afghanistan is captured on film. When Lee came back, how did he react to visits from the FBI when they came and saw him here? I anticipated, and I said to the family, Hell be back within a year. Well, it took him a little bit longer than that, but he started trying after a year to come back. The planning that Lee did probably at least extended all the way back to the time he was in Japan because of the clothes he purchased at the time. He really wasn't. What did he do? Hed made some contacts within the Russian community in Fort Worth and in Dallas. This was a part of his character, that inner self, that we used to say, "Me, myself and I will do something.". The fact that he could put on a facade and pretend to be somebody he wasnt to me, it gets down to what happened later on. One was he wanted to get his manuscript typed up and written. That's not to suggest it was in any way any less than that, but it's just that we refuse to see it in its true light. I think that Marina's a very complicated character, and I think it's fair to say in Oswald she saw a very good opportunity. FRONTLINE reports from Iraq on the miscalculations and mistakes behind the brutal rise of ISIS. How can you explain one without the other? For a while I think he was captivated by this lifestyle, because it was new to him and it was much more comfortable and much more stable than he had ever experienced. When Lee is discharged, early discharge in September 1959, he returns to Fort Worth for about three days. They've gone to the extreme measures to prove that he owned that rifle. He wasn't present when they took a head count [at the Texas School Book Depository]. But Lee had that same personality type. Even fifty years later, Oswald's Minsk period remains understudied, despite the fact that Oswald's time in the Soviet Union was the longest period of stability in his life. This is a lawyer well known for being involved in left-wing causes. I think he just liked the atmosphere that you could do anything that you wanted to do, that you could imagine you could do. He's already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. I said, "We can look into it. Consequently, people left it wide open. WDSU-TV interviews Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 when he was living in New Orleans. He would talk about anything else. You had said that he had very much been on his own in New York. That to me is very plausible for him to do. But the facts are there. He's failing at almost every level. She has no control over him. It just floors me, it floored me then. How would he have reacted to that? Hola, identifcate. He had an interesting experience and he had a Russian wife. He started becoming more and more independent and out on his own because Mother was working all the time, no brothers around, no father figure around, no adult that he was acquainted with that he could rely on to and talk to. So Oswald benefitted from all that. I think he just liked the atmosphere that you could do anything that you wanted to do, that you could imagine you could do. This was something all his own. Whether Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone to assassinate President John F. Kennedy has been the subject of countless articles, books, and movies. He was seeming to be pretty adamant about it. WGBH educational foundation, In Fight Against ISIS, a Lose-Lose Scenario Poses Challenge for West. I know he wanted to travel. If it was any other murder case other than the president of the United States, it would have been resolved right then. This is a struggle that has gone on with me for almost 30 years now. Youve got all kinds of documented evidence. He was in control. Historian Priscilla Johnson McMillan was a reporter in Moscow in the 1950s and interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald shortly after his defection to the Soviet Union. With regard to his return home from Russia in June 1962 with his family -- what did he tell you about reporters meeting him, and what do you think it really meant? So it's not surprising that after just a few months, he began to grow tired of it. At what age Lee started gathering this, or sensing it, or hearing it and applying it to him, I dont know. Oswald in a way sort of set up the disaster that was to come before he even arrived in Moscow. Sending Out Veterans' Benefits, The Executive Branchs Response to the Flood of 1927, The Case For Calling the Language "American", America Fought Its Own Battle Over Books Before it Fought the Nazis. He's failing in his marriage and in his attempts to do whatever he wants to do. Can you summarize what the atmosphere was like there that Saturday, and what you made of it? We talked about this at a great length during that first week. After obtaining a hardship discharge from the Marines, Lee Harvey Oswald left the United States for the Soviet Union in 1959. She could really become somebody from New York real easy when she's in Texas, putting on the air[s], whatever you call it. Tell me about his interest in the television show "I Led Three Lives" and what that says about him and his imagination. In the Soviet Union, he was a celebrity, at least for a little while. It seemed like we were never in a location [more than] six or seven months, maybe a year at the most. But he became disgusted with it and started rebelling against it, because he wanted to go back to a more independent attitude. We were a burden. You'll receive access to exclusive information and early alerts about our documentaries and investigations. Aline Mosby was one of the first women assigned to cover the Kremlin, There are no reviews yet. And it's not surprising, because in many ways Marina was the antithesis of Ella. Oswald told Marina that killing Walker would have been like killing Hitler, so clearly Oswald imagined himself playing some kind of grand world-historical role, and it's noteworthy that the way in which he went about attempting to kill Walker was exactly the way he went about successfully killing John F. Kennedy. I don't think he had much experience with women, if any, before moving to the Soviet Union. He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when hes coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with the first broadcast of FRONTLINE's "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?". When you learned he had defected, did you have any explanation? So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that they're moving to Dallas. As this realization deepens and becomes more omnipresent and more unavoidable, he feels a greater and greater need to get out, to escape. This is a must watch till the very end.then another must watch with pen in hand . He did not and would not talk to any of the interrogators about anything of substance. Or he just walked the streets, ride the subways. There's a great deal of self-involvement, there's a great deal of desire to elevate himself, to become this world-historical figure. Everything is deteriorating. What do you say to people who are so convinced or are trying to believe in his innocence? Living in Fort Worth, TV was making its debut. He would talk about anything else. What he did after he left the building is known: bus ride, taxi ride, boardinghouse, pick up the pistol, leave, shoot the police officer. PBS is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization. He's on a downhill run. Lee would rebel against the discipline of the Marine Corps when he had the opportunity to, when the leeway was there. We were a burden. I think thats an understatement. But the facts are there. Not surprisingly, as his novelty began to wear off, his interest in Minsk began to wear thin. Additional funding is provided by the Abrams Foundation; the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation; Park Foundation; the Heising-Simons Foundation; and the FRONTLINE Journalism Fund with major support from Jon and Jo Ann Hagler on behalf of the Jon L. Hagler Foundation, and additional support from Koo and Patricia Yuen. You dont think that there was any possibility that he was on some mission when he went to Russia? As Ruby evidently mismanaged the operation, he was given a choice to either finish the job himself or forfeit his life. The Most Risky Job Ever. Reporting on ISIS in Afghanistan. . The Dallas Police Department was utter chaos. Why do you think that so many Americans still cannot accept that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin of John F. Kennedy. Well, his concern was, was there anything that I was aware of that [there] were going to be charges placed against him from anybody? Zoeken Amazon.nl. People ought to take note of this, that he should be interesting. Could you describe Oswald's relationships with women? It seemed like we were never in a location [more than] six or seven months, maybe a year at the most. If it didn't work for Russia, he was going to stay in Europe anyway. I didn't know -- but I think that was his posture all along, with the interrogators. Best Known For: Lee Harvey Oswald was a former U.S. Marine who was accused of killing President John F. Kennedy. Upon his return to the United States, was there a particular moment where Oswald decided to act violently? He wasn't political. Three, maybe more fundamentally, I think that modern man, especially in modern America, is just congenitally incapable of making sense of tragedy. He toyed with people like that. Well look into it.. Can you sort of talk about that character trait? True, no one saw him actually pull the trigger on the president but his presence in the building was there. Hes getting a better opportunity, he thinks, in Dallas, because its a bigger job market over there than what Fort Worth was at the time. He had the presence of mind then to do that. He'd actually applied for Albert Schweitzer's school in Switzerland, and been accepted for that summertime or fall semester. He said, "I don't know what they're talking about." Show more Comments are turned off. Then he joins the Marines, and then he has a lot of people barking at him, a lot of discipline. She had been overbearing or whatever. But he would look at it. He knew something they didnt know, and he would keep it to himself. What did he say, and what were you trying to get out of him? However, Bolinas author Josiah Thompson says he has answered one very important question. The Hartford Files This type of thing would interest him, whether he went to an art museum or a library or a movie theater or just walked around and saw sights. . How can you explain one without the other? Buscar Amazon.es. Its there; put it to rest. This was driven entirely by his own biography and history. Even though Oswald says in his diary that Marina was surprised when he informed her he wanted to go back to the United States, she never puts any resistance. As things progressed down the line the job didn't work out. FRONTLINE: WHO WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD? It wasn't uncommon, after all, for American communists to experience disillusionment with the Soviet Union. As far as material goods the car taking her to a grocery store the first time you cant believe how excited she was. In this interview, Posner talks . He was assuming everything was being recorded, and, unfortunately, it wasnt. What's the best answer you come to for yourself regarding his motive? None took him seriously. After the assassination you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. In one of the Warren Commission's exhibits, Hal Collins is listed as a character reference by Ruby on a Texas liquor license application.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby As far as material goods the car taking her to a grocery store the first time you can't believe how excited she was. You look at the general opportunity he was present. Well, he went to do the things he always liked to do -- got to the movies if he had the money, go to the library and read if he didn't have it. It just didnt fit. The jobs not doing that good. New York City. Ive managed to keep it quiet. That was it. Using archival footage, interviews and dramatic reconstruction, "Killing Oswald" explores the mystery of how and why John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald were assassinated in 1963. Can you describe that for me? So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that theyre moving to Dallas. Hes failing at almost every level. Why was he asking for this lawyer, John Abt, up in New York? Learn more It's cable reimagined No DVR space. The big question is why. But at the same time, he always was trying to get away from her. Nobody was telling him whether this was good, bad or indifferent, or what the consequences of what his actions were. Hola, identifcate. , I think Ive come to an understanding of Lee that I have now that I didnt, of course I mean, I watched the deterioration of a human being. What prompts him to take the first concrete steps to extricate himself from the Soviet Union is his break with Ella German. So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. and he just laughed. He finally got a job that wasn't exactly what he really wanted, but it was a start. ", home+introduction+interviews+forum+twenty four years+conspiracy And you dont know what the Sam Hill is going on?, I became kind of intense at that point, looking into his eyes. You could tell by the tone of the language, not that we could understand the Russian language, but the tone and the facial expressions that they were having an argument. My first lawyer Tom Howard told me to say that I shot Oswald so that Caroline and Mrs. Kennedy wouldn't have to come to Dallas to testify. So youre saying, in a sense, he is the ultimate pragmatist? Similarly, the committee believed it was less likely that Ruby entered the police basement without assistance, even though the assistance may have been provided with no knowledge of Ruby's intentions The committee was troubled by the apparently unlocked doors along the stairway route and the removal of security guards from the area of the garage nearest the stairway shortly before the shooting There is also evidence that the Dallas Police Department withheld relevant information from the Warren Commission concerning Ruby's entry to the scene of the Oswald transfer.When Ruby was arrested immediately after the shooting, he told several witnesses that he helped the city of Dallas \"redeem\" itself in the eyes of the public, and that Oswald's death would spare \"Mrs. Among his nine books is the bestseller, Case Closed (1993), which concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. 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ISIS is in Afghanistan, But Who Are They Really? I couldn't believe it. I tell him it may or may not be. There is no question in my mind that he also shot Officer Tippit. He was ready. As far as Lee giving any information to the Russians while he was over there, even though he said he would if they had asked, apparently they weren't interested in it. Nobody was telling him whether this was good, bad or indifferent, or what the consequences of what his actions were. [He wanted to] get established and start the American life, live the American dream. But the Marine Corps has got set procedures and so forth to follow. After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. I said, If you told me everything youve done, it seems to me you have a case that you could perhaps get a reversal on that, that you did not do anything that they anticipated you done. I said, If that never came about, if you didnt really betray the country and you only attempted to do it and they didnt let you do it anyway legally, then it seems to me you have a basis. I said, We can look into it. Search the history of over 797 billion The fact that he could put on a facade and pretend to be somebody he wasn't -- to me, it gets down to what happened later on. And by the time we get to late 1960, he's beginning to think that maybe he's made a mistake -- he's not quite sure, but he's thinking that. Lee. In November, 1959, as a reporter in Moscow, she had interviewed a twenty-year-old ex-Marine at the Metropole Hotel in Moscow named Lee Harvey Oswald, who'd announced he wanted to defect to. We're talking seven, eight, nine, 10 years old. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" With John F. Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald, Nigel Barber, Raymond Burns. We want to impose order and logic on everything. There is no question in my mind that he also shot Officer Tippit. I think this was passed on to Lee. Now apparently, for whatever reasons or however they checked it out, they found out whatever he knew wasn't necessarily anything they'd be interested in. I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. Those are the indications that say he took some thought, some planning over a long period of time. In 1977, McMillan wrote Marina and Lee, an intimate portrait of the Oswalds' life together. He knew something they didn't know, and he would keep it to himself. He was ready. As chief counsel to the 1977 House Select Committee on Assassinations, Blakey led the investigation into President John F. Kennedy's assassination, reexamining the evidence with a new forensics panel. Although that was Marguerite Oswald's first network television interview in many years, we were not the first journalists to speak with her. It just floors me, it floored me then. [37]Within hours of Ruby's arrest for shooting Oswald, a telegram was received at the Dallas city jail in support of Ruby, under the names of Hal and Pauline Collins. After the genocide in Rwanda and atrocities in Srebrenica, Bosnia, in the 1990s, the world vowed never again. Then came the conflict in Darfur, Sudan, which began 20 years ago. At 11:21 am CST while authorities were escorting Oswald through the police basement to an armored car that was to take him to the nearby county jail Ruby stepped out from a crowd of reporters and fired his .38 revolver into Oswald's abdomen, fatally wounding him. What did he have in the back of his mind? Last month Secretary of State John Kerry, commenting in an interview on the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, said: "To this day, I have serious doubts that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Follow him on Twitter @davidastinwalsh. 49K views 9 years ago WDSU-TV interviews Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 when he was living in New Orleans. Can you describe that for me? You've got all the physical evidence that ties together. He was on his own in libraries. Lee and Marina were having difficulties, just by being together I guess by being put in new circumstances and everything. But certainly by age three, he had the sense, "I need to be someplace else." I've managed to keep it quiet." Interview: Gerald Posner. And his disenchantment began to morph into a kind of anger and frustration. He never did answer. Lee Harvey Oswald is dragged from the Texas Theatre by Patrolman C.T. Cuenta y Listas Devoluciones . They're not progressing at the speed I think he wants to progress. As far as Lee giving any information to the Russians while he was over there, even though he said he would if they had asked, apparently they werent interested in it. You look at all the data there, and it comes up to one conclusion as far as Im concerned the Warren Commission was correct. Lee had high hopes when he first got back as to what he was going to do. Lee Harvey Oswald did not have any particular animus for John F. Kennedy. In his interview with FRONTLINE, Blakey calls the prosecution case against Lee Harvey Oswald "open and shut." New book by Hoover fellow recounts his experiences knowing JFK's assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald. Lee Harvey Oswald (October 18, 1939 - November 24, 1963) was a U.S. Marine veteran who assassinated John F. Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States, on November 22, 1963. We had an old black-and-white. She had certain characteristics that were so much like Lee: the time and circumstances always seemed to be against her; the world owed her a living; she wanted to be somebody. Did she let you know and did she let him know that the kids were a burden? He was just out of the Marine Corps. ** = At least this version is the most \"complete\" version I have ever seen, although a little bit of editing has certainly been done at the very beginning, because we don't hear the interviewer's first question to Oswald. Youve got the backyard picture. What do you do with his rifle? Here was a start. Skip to main content Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. I say that in all honesty, because he tried to become what he needed to be to achieve his immediate objectives; i.e., he needed to be a Marxist and accept the Russians [to] get the experience in Russia. He had a rifle, he had positioned himself, he prepared in advance to take his shot, after he took the shot he left the rifle there, and then walked away and found his own way home.