In truth, the vast majority of golfers are playing from tees that are too long based on their club speed and skill level. Due to the large volume of autograph requests, fulfillment of requests is not guaranteed. Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. Bilan, I think you should rub one out before you get to first tee box. I have been working around that weakness by using shorter clubs off the tee but it leaves me with much longer second shots. Brooks Koepka, winner of the US Open 2017 and 2018. I am writing a dissertation at university and was wondering how you got all your data. I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. Apex Height 112' 11" [/quote] Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. How Far Should Beginners Hit A Golf Ball? Does the AMA truly know how far each of their clubs carries? The following is Torrey Pines South, where golfers line up each morning for a chance to play one of Americas 100 Greatest Public Courses (Golf Digest). Youd be correct and that is why its always best to get fitted and discuss purchases with your pro. [quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1364403013' post='6707345'] By Handicap, Age & Swingspeed, Should Your Driver Match Your Woods? I visited Hillside GC practice ground to have a full custom fitting session with the new SM9s. Lj\gUk':Q9d P\Ko?#sU;:MRk;'FTz![]wJQRL/"&Xp]q%F"S4y_fY;<5PemA,YosVrs>l6:cc TSi2 18, VTS Silver 8xMizuno MP Fli Hi 21, Recoil 110MP-20 MMC 5-P,DG X100SM850F, 54S, 58MPXGCloser Gen 2Tour BX. To find a TrackMan Certified coach, please see our locator: trackmangolf.com/locator. Learn how your comment data is processed. It takes a detailed plan and it takes time, and this is why I think the improvement of AMAs isnt as impressive as it could be. When we compare these stock yardages for irons between the pros we get a consistent view of yardage which we can accurately compare across the players. How Often Do Pros Hit Driver? No question - 100%. Shafts: Project X 125 6.5, Wedges: Titleist Vokey Design SM9 (46-10F @46.5, 52-08F @51.5, 56-10S @55.5), Titleist Vokey Design WedgeWorks Proto (60.5 T) Total Distance Efficiency 2.484 I spent a year playing by myself getting lessons finding a swing and just focused on having fun. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400. [quote name='xmanhockey7' timestamp='1364353356' post='6703825'] Do you have Average Female Amature driver swing speed? This is so I could hit it higher and spin it more, enabling me to access that tough pin position. To help however answer the question as well as we can the table below shows the varying distances some of the top pros, including Tiger Woods, Rory McIlroy and Dustin Johnson, are hitting their wedges, together with the degrees of loft their clubs are listed at. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. Milled grooves - SM9 sees Titleist use a new saw to cut their grooves, instead of stamping them onto the face. In the lower lofted wedges (46-52) at address the club sits squarer, the leading edge looks to be straighter and less rounded at the top of the toe. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. Required fields are marked *. Couldn't of said it any better myself. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Have a look at his numbers. Im wondering if there are outliers here?. That's my opinion at least. However don't be overwhelmed, the good news is that there is only one set up choice in the PW, two in the GW and multiple in SW and LW due to the wider range of shorter shots you play with these clubs. Its a whole different story. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Victoria II. I think it would be awesome to see if any of the numbers change due to the new developments. Full details on the new TSR2 and TSR3 here! Grip: SuperStroke, Driver: Titleist 917 D3 (10.5 degrees @12) If golfers are to continue playing the same length tees, then optimizing their driver distance is going to be key to enhancing their performance. WebIn 2018, Justin was just the 21st player to ever reach #1 in the Official World Golf Rankings following his WGC win in Memphis. Obviously not. RocketBladez Tour 4-PW // C-Taper Not at all. I also play at a local par 3 course which holds the junior par 3 championship and I have shot 7 under around the par 3 course. Bump up your confidence around the greens. Obviously not. Notice how few balls landed past the target.. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. I stressed this to my fitter - make sure you talk to them about your golf as they are only seeing a small sample of your game. Justins family and friends also know him as a kindhearted young man who goes out of his way to give back. Apex Height 112' 11" Torrey Pines South, huh? You dont need to be depressed your swing speed is high enough to play very good golf. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] I'm not going to wear my body down trying to swing that club. There are golfers out there who are scratch only hitting the ball 200-250. I wonder what his user name is on WRX.. This philosophy has been a revelation to me. Consistency is Key, Are Driving Range Distances Accurate? X-Forged UT (#3- 21)- DG X700 My 8 iron 190yards 5iron 252 yards Pw is 150yrds And loft 56 at 120yrds Loft 110 yrds How do i control the power to less distance? I figured that out years ago based on hole distance and yardage to the flag after my tee shot. Grip: SuperStroke Traxion Flatso 1.0. TrackMan session with Justin Rose and Sean Foley - YouTube 0:00 / 5:10 TrackMan session with Justin Rose and Sean Foley 158,856 views Feb 26, 2013 See how Including a personal best one under 35 for nine. Yes, typically very short drivers of the ball are better iron players or wedge players. Not at all. Tiger hits his 3-iron a carry distance of 240 yards on average while his 4-iron goes 225 yards and 5-iron 210 yards. SM5 53, 59 If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. Shafts: Nippon N.S. Sorry for the ramble. The false fronts, forced carries, and deep protecting bunkers are too difficult for the AMA to deal with. What Determines Driver Distance? God how I loved playing golf. Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom, 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Everyone has one. It's not the length that makes a pro. Is it around 25-35% less then the AMA group? Mizuno Pro 225 5-GW PX IO On average PGA pros hit a 3-iron a carry distance the distance from strike to point of ground impact of 217 yards. When it comes to talking about distance in golf the easiest and most obvious place to start is of course always with the longest club in the golf bag the driver. Standard 60 lob wedges meanwhile carry 95 to 105 yards on average. [/quote] But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. Physics First. Ive hit greens from 210 out with a 20 degree hybrid. 913 HD I remember they had the analysis of his 8 iron that he hit at firestone from like 200+ out in a golf digest or something a couple years ago don't remember any of the numbers unfortunately tho M2, maybe 915 FD 913 HD 712u 3 714 AP2 4-p SM5 53, 59 Circa62 knock it close Advanced Members 6.2k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfequipment/golf-launch-monitor.php, Short hitter compared to the average WRXer. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Join the Thomas family to help fund important programming for children in need, junior golf and military families. It has to do with my ability. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364416031' post='6708919'] But if you can hit it 275 on your home muni track, that is at least 290 on a tour track with manicured fairways and perfect level tee boxes to hit from. It's good for some laughs. [/quote] But then on the next hole when they come back down the hill with the wind behind them, they all go 340. Mizumo T22 Blue 54 58 S400 TI Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. What about the balls we use. 14* SLDR // Speeder 8.3x Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Whatever helps you sleep at night my friend. Most golfers I know are happy to drive the ball 200 yards and keep it in the fairway. Anyone remember young Guan the 14 year old at Augusta he was so small he could only drive it 250 but did alright. Thanks this will help my golf game so much now. The LDA guys can't hang with the short games and are wildly sporadic with their tee shots, hence why they get multiple tries. In my experiences wedges can be the least searched review on YouTube and some of the worst fitting processes. As you can guess my improvement has now become dependent on driver efficiency and distance. timestamp='1364355784' post='6704107'] Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high Thats 95 extra yards, putting the actual distance of the drive under neutral conditions around 340 My home course is around 6200 so I can work around not bombing it off the tee but it is perplexing to me. 3. That's what I think. The trend right now with wedge play for all manufacturers is lowering the ball flight on the full shots. Im a 42 year old 59 and been playing golf since I was 35. The plan is to include this type of information within TrackMan University in the future, but that is likely many months away at this point. I have also never heard a beginner or poorer striker of the golf ball say I need to lower my ball flight which is what these are said to do. Thats a course representative of the average golfer? Hi Gerry. Add That Little Extra Limited is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees (at no cost to you) by linking to Amazon.com. Foley was talking about him hitting 8-9* down when playing his stinger. Have a look at his driver and 6 iron numbers below: Driver 6 Titleist 712 CB 4-9, MB PW KBS Tour (HS1X) Spin Rate 2,645.8 But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. [quote]I don't measure my driver distance. hard to say for sure who was at fault in the beginning i am 7 handicap play with a friend who is 26-28 i play blue he plays white even when an extra player joins me on the blue he still plays white. Justin is that really you?? Thanks! I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. Top 50 Player Guide. Greater distancethe eternal quest for golfers. My average driver distance over 2 full rounds it 223 yards and that includes the one or two bad shots off the box that only goes 100 plus yards just above the red Ts . I already use the SM8s and having seen the drop off in spin and different performance of my swing (I am less steep at impact these days) I will be changing wedges. I originally tried the 12 bounce in the 52 degree but I could feel the club stuttering in the turf at impact. As a whole PGA pros hit their pitching wedge an average carry distance of 141 yards. On average, all of the projected distances were 50-70 yards further without the slice. I must say to the trap draw crowd, Justin Thomas isn't hitting trap draws while winning tournaments on the PGA Tour. He doesn't have the luxury of Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] Is the dispersion linear, eg at 176 yards is it the same proportion at 88 feet or more? 46 to 54 degree heads have narrower and deeper grooves as these are used more in fuller shots with greater swing/ball speed. This is something Butch Harmon has been trying to get Danielle Kang to do for a few years because it simplifies the shot and you can go at the flag more. My average driving distance is 240 but IF I can make a shot in the sweet spot (Stars Aligned after a long Prayer) I can go 290 to 300 measured on the golf course. :-). [url="http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfequipment/golf-launch-monitor.php"]http://www.rotaryswinch-monitor.php[/url] Whats the proportion of shots wide of the mark by say 80 feet or more (or some width for which there is data) 2. I do agree the AMA should be playing much shorter courses than most presently do. [/quote] In the following table the list shows how far a selection of PGA and LPGA Tour pros hit their 3-wood, 5-wood and hybrid clubs. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Dont think they ever release that stuff. My spin dropped 500 rpm on average and my flight favoured the left side. It has to do with my ability. 712u 3 When I watch professional events I am always taken aback by how high they hit their driver but how low they hit their wedges. Thanks. It was soft in landing rather than quick and checking. Maybe for one swing he got there. This data further confirms the need for most golfers to aim towards the center of the green on all approach shots. Commented here a while ago Im actually not sure before I used GPS through my mobile whether I hit it further than I do now. I guess what Im saying is if you dont hit the ball straight consistently and you dont make good, clean contact consistently, it would be silly to focus on things like swing speed/distance. It will make it a lot easier to give a qualified answer if we have all the numbers :-). Circa62, Tiger also ranks 125th on tour in total driving efficiency. [/color] [/quote] I think you wish you hit it further. Many golfers save some money and buy the SM8s and others will upgrade from SM7s to SM9s. Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. Very interesting but sort of depressing article. Mr Vokey has listened and gone on to design a wedge with the feedback of those players in mind. May I ask how many of them have 120 mph swing. Should my ball speed be faster based on the distance Im getting. Can crush it further by trap drawing it really stepping on it. I have a terrible slice that knocks A LOT of yards off of my drive. Im 46 years old and dont think my 95 mph swing speed will increase that dramatically without throwing rhythm off. How Far Does a 3 Wood vs 5 Wood Go? 3-irons average 217 yds, 4-irons 208 yds, 5-irons 199 yds, 6-irons 188 yds, 7-irons 177 yds, 8-irons 164 yds and 9-irons 153 yds. The strategy implemented to create 10 additional yards of carry could be from lack of knowledge regarding how far each club goes. I played Monday and hit my 1st 3 drives over 300 and in the fairway. I have played golf for 22 years. I know I hit the ball a long way though. I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. It is all about the short game I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. Learn to play your game, but keep pushing yourself where sensible and on the range, and youll enjoy your round more and start playing much more consistent golf. Theyre familiar and consistent, you wont see Bob Vokey ever designing a wedge with a high toe or full face of grooves. Yet I hit my driver 230 yards to what they say is average, 214. I play from the whites if it is more of a difficult or bigger course. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. For years, Justin has quietly used his fame and financial wherewithal to help many. The one at 3811 spin carried 8.3 yards further. Knowing tee shot distances and iron distances helps with that. The above statements were [i]only[/i] about length. Carry Efficiency 2.51 Although early days yet is there a general reason for the different results in club path. The title would be just as useful as well. [/quote] Golf Balls are a Problem, Most Popular Driver on LPGA Tour? More photos from the event here. [/quote] The respective games the AMA and professional golfers play today are two entirely separate entities and should be treated as such. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. The average green size at Torrey Pines South is 6,000 square feet. Do you have Average Female Amature driver swing speed? Length is nothing. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer When its hit well I have hit enough times in the 260-270 range so Im probably in that 95 mph swing speed range. I cant hide my excitement and love for a Vokey wedge and it doesnt change on these. #TeamTrackMan [/quote] I genuinely believe Vokeys make me a better bunker player, the SM8s changed my bunker game and these are just as good. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 7 S, Hybrid: Callaway Apex (19 degrees) x]I]618nI9^R? I take most info in many sections of this board with a grain of salt. Their delivery will be erratic and Vokey is a bladed wedge which offers little help in the forgiveness department. Little higher launch, still low spin into the wind, and much easier to swing day in and day out. Launch Angle 11.28 [/quote] Sorry that I can not be of better help right now. I suppose you have the biggest and fastest car as well ? If I have a front pin with a hard green, I would go at it harder with the shorter club, maybe a 150 yard pitching wedge. They hit 52 gap wedges a stock carry distance of between 126 and 135 yards and carry 56 sand wedges an average distance of 119 to 124 yards. Well, they say that If you practice more and more youll get better and better. Or Fox Hollow in Baltimore? On the LPGA Tour the top women pros carry a 3-wood 195 yards, a 5-wood 185 yards and a 7-wood 174 yards on average. It's the short game. It's a pretty common way to play the game and it helps the scoring aspect of your game tremendously. You could hear the thump and it was relentless in its consistency. I think you wish you hit it further. More importantly, however, Justins time on the course where his mother and father both worked taught him about responsibility, passion, ethics, camaraderie, and hard work. Mike Austin Swing: When Does the Release Start? [/quote] The handicap system is equally misleading as the vast amount of amateur golfers dont have a handicap, and if they did, they would be 36.4. Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ [] Or the public course in Lenoir, NC? If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. Justin came from 7 strokes back to start the final round at the 2022 PGA Championship which ties the largest final round comeback in PGA Championship history. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. I still feel these are better players clubs for 15 handicappers or below as they are bladed heads which require you to deliver the club consistently and strike the centre of the face. <>
I often feel articles such as this are skewed. They hit a 3-wood an average carry distance of 249 yds, a 5-wood 235 yds and 3-hybrids 230 yds. Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). They make me giddy and want to practice my short game all the time. 2 vs 3 vs 4 Hybrid Distances, How Far Should I Hit My Irons? Odyssey Metal X Milled #1. Club Head Speed 119.55 I don't measure my driver distance either. My taylermade aero burner average distance is 330 yards on a good day 364 yards. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. I would say probably is bs. In 2019, he launched the Justin Thomas Foundation, aimed to help military families, junior golf and children in need. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. Vokey inspect all wedges individually but do recommend you look to change wedges after 75 rounds in order to keep the spin rate at its optimum. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] You're delusional if you think any amateur on WRX that claims to have similar numbers to the longer pros thinks they are also as good as a tour pro. I don't measure my driver distance either. I'll pass. [quote name='GooseHook' timestamp='1364385234' post='6705065'] Taylormade Spider X Chalk SS. Have a look at his driver and 6 Especially the average driving distance data. The professionals are going to hit the ball on the screws significantly more often than the AMA. We've enjoyed playing this great game with friends, family and competitors from all over the world for many years. Sure, I see guys hitting 250-300 yards, but they are far from the norm. Pro Modus 3 Tour 105 S, Wedges: Callaway Jaws (54-10S, 58-10S), Titleist Vokey Design SM6 (62-08M) Made more swing improvement of late and starting to control my driver more. I would recommend that you go visit a TrackMan certified coach, he/she will be able to help you with your club speed. Assuming however the pros are hitting standard lofted pitching, gap, sand and lob wedges we found the following stock distances for how far the pros hit them. Open navigation menu. This analysis seems to be for elite athletes. I think those numbers are a little high. Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. If it's a really short par 4, I will hit an iron, hybrid, or fairway wood to play to that ideal distance range. The goals of the Justin Thomas Foundation reflect the altruistic aspirations of the Thomas family. And this is about DJs average big drive when he swings harder, at around 125 mph. WebJustin Thomas TrackMan Numbers Congratulations to Justin Thomas with his latest victory at the Dell Technologies Championship, well played! But you also have to add in the slight mishits, the rainy days, and the balls that land in the rough. Vokeys are no doubt aspirational golf clubs, you are viewed as a knowledgeable and better golfer if you have these in the bag. First of all, I would always encourage any golfer to get custom fitted for Titleist Vokey wedges because the loft/bounce/grind chart can be very confusing. The LDA guys can't hang with the short games and are wildly sporadic with their tee shots, hence why they get multiple tries. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. Top 100 Player Analysis. I have always wanted a push draw and now i can see the light in the tunnel. My SM8 wedges are a few years old and have played over the recommended 75 rounds. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] Short hitter compared to the average WRXer He is traditional in what he wants the wedge to look like. Before when I opened the club face I presented too much leading edge, but due to the high bounce and shape with the M grind this doesnt happen. As such, this article will focus on the performance of the average male amateur (AMA). What is evident is you obviously don't play with good amateur players. http://web.tigerwoods.com/onTour/seasonStatistics. These 23 heads are available in three finishes: Jet Black, Tour Chrome and Brushed Steel. In my opinion if your long game level is around hcap 0 you should score 76-80 . Our TrackMan Combine database would contain the answer to those questions, but it would require significant work to pull that information out. Ive tried this with many people and they shoot about their handicap. I'd really like to see Tiger's path and face numbers too among others especially seeing how far left he aims at times. STEAL THESE FROM ME! [color=#ff0000]I'd really like to see Tiger's path and face numbers too among others especially seeing how far left he aims at times. Trackman is pretty interesting, obviously path and angle of attack change depending on the shot your trying to shape. And that is for the simple reason that pros will hit all manner of a variety of different shots with their irons, especially for their approach shots, and as such, they will hit the same iron a variety of different distances. Titleist SM5 52-08 & 58-07 S400's it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer.